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by Muñoz

N oel Godin is a character in Belgium. Since stocks began in 1969 with Marguerite Duras entartamiento, its position has moved from initial marginalization motivated some recognition for its spectacular operations against some of the most important figures of the political elite, economic and cultural world. Among his victims are Jacques Delors, Helmut Kohl, Bernard Henry-Levy, Jean Luc Godard, Michel Camdassus, Marco Ferreri, and Bill Gates, undoubtedly his most famous attempt to date, which have been made to computer games available online.
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Godin is not too complicated. Just visit the website of the International Cake and send an email, but you can also reach it, as was the case, contact one of the groups of political and cultural upheaval that act in Brussels, as the Committee Surveillance to NATO, the movement of aid to undocumented immigrants, or the anarchist film Nova. The meeting took place in the kitchen of his home in the popular Scharbek neighborhood, where houses an impressive collection of 10,000 carefully videos placed in huge racks to completely cover the walls of the house. Great partying, Godin I received shortly after waking up and politely offers me a coffee while he cleans the bathroom on the second floor. As I prepare my notes and the documentation I have collected, I see the rooms. They clutter queen a nice contrast with the cataloging and order video tapes. Subversive posters, manifestos, half-filled wine bottles, full ashtrays and piles of papers. For the glass that gives a somewhat neglected garden filters the dim light of a rainy morning. After apologizing for making me wait Godin sits next to me and proposed begin the interview.

REYNON

MUÑOZ - Film critic and regular contributor to the magazine "Cahiers du cinema", writer, actor, experimental documentary filmmaker, and stirrer. Born September 13, 1945 in Liege, the son of a respected lawyer in the city. He began a law degree but abandoned his studies after an attack with a tail to a professor who had collaborated in the drafting of the constitution of the Portuguese dictator Salazar. Degree in Film History from the University of Liege. Soon after, he started working with the film magazine "Amis des films" Belgian Catholic League.

NOEL GODIN

- Yes, it was grossly Catholic. They hired me because I won a scholarship film competition. So I focused on sabotage, inventing characters. He published more than 200 interviews with fake characters like blind Thai filmmaker Vivian Pei, author of The lotus flower will not grow back on your island. " I also wrote that Louis Armstrong had been cannibal and had financed a film called "Vegetables of good will" in which Claudia Cardinale played a giant endive. This shows that people lack a critical sense.

RM - In 1969, its shares by the start after it has been known as the entartador. His first victim was Marguerite Duras. Why her?

NG

- Because as I said a friend, "Marguerite Duras has written not only bullshit, also filmed."

RM

- Later entartó Marco Ferreri ...

NG

- Yes, but I have to say I became reconciled with Marco Ferreri. It was OK, because I had just seen "The house of laughter", which returns to its previous line, a little "amour fou "and since then we have understood. At the time, he accused the CIA of having organized the attack. I like the English stage, with films like" The Buggy "," The little flat. "Then he took it too seriously and became an intellectual.

[Bill Gates entartado]

RM
- After a period of silence, returns to action at Bernard entartando Henry-Levy thereafter becomes its archenemy, reaching entartarle 6 times. It was especially his last action Bill Gates, has had the most impact. I found articles in The New York Times, CNN, The Observer, Libération ... The first question concerns the Cannes Film Festival, which has always been his favorite place to act. This year we have not heard of any action of yours ...
NG - Say it's a great pitch. This exaltation of stupidity and ridiculous culture. Indeed, there have been 5 major operations in Cannes.
RM

- some quite spectacular, the "James Bond", in which the presenter entartaron star of the first French channel while Holly Hunter interviewed live. You say that your enemies are those who feel their importance or lack a sense of humor. How do you make your decisions? Have you ever dreaded wrong with someone?

NG

- We've never had the slightest remorse. We make decisions in assembly. I've become a bit of the public image of the group, but in reality we are a group of filibusters without a captain. Perhaps Marco Ferreri is a special case, since we make up course, but he deserved at the time. Everyone knows our particular contribution to Godard, which is our only 50 victims I like very much but the reason is that we Godard embodied the freedom of thought, a little provocative. It was an admirable example and avoided the mystical raptures of his contemporaries. And suddenly, wham!: Godard develops. During the performance of "Je vous salue Marie", falls in love for the actress Vivianne Brufet with living a cruel and platonic passion for Godard, after his motorcycle accident, which had problems in the testicles ...

RM

- Lost your testicles?

NG

- He says Serge Tubiana, the maximum Godard specialist, who has had several times in Cahiers de Cinema. Whatever it was, Godard makes a film-sentence. The great iconoclast Godard, suddenly, makes a movie totally Christian. Shortly afterwards, a well known French talk show "Droit de réponse", live, begins to pray and make everyone on the set is put to pray with him. Anyway, "Je vous salue Marie" despite being a Christian film is a film à la Godard, extremely unique, bold, so of course horrified by the fundamentalists as they saw it immediately as a blasphemous film, as did with "The Last Temptation of Christ" Martin Scorsese, another Christian. Godard suffer the wrath of fans who attacked several rooms in Paris and then, Godard asks the Italian distributor of the film, removing "Je vous salue Marie" in the cinemas near the Vatican not to displease the Pope. The great iconoclast Godard, kneeling before the papal gangsterism. We were very sad. So the family decided to attack Brussels pastry. However, it is one of the best I have taken. When, shortly after the police stopped me to keep going to Cannes, Godard phone calls from Switzerland to the press service of the festival demanding that I return my press pass, which they did. Moreover, he spent a few photos of his entartamiento for the number of Godard's "Cahiers du cinema." Godard, proved to be a gentleman while most of our victims reacted in a jerk, which was a disaster for public image.

RM - In several articles, he dismissed as "anarchist." What does this mean to you? Do you accept this definition?

NG - I fully accept the term "anarchist" never be afraid to use, but I rate the best of "anarcho-situationist." I find both side collectivist anarchists like Bakunin, Koprotkin least 100% and Durruti and Ascaso, also with Nestor Magno, and in general of anarchists who have proposed the abolition of all forms of hierarchy, authority, all forms of repression, reinvention of work, although I am rather for abolition, as Oscar Wilde, who proposed the abolition of the proletariat. Therefore, while "anarchist-collectivist" and individualistic as Max Stiner. But mostly "anarcho-situationist" as the English anarchists of the century has defenestrated patterns thrown out the window.

RM

- For So according to you, the use of violence is legitimate ...

NG

- Say I'm for all forms of revolt. From the moment they believe in their revolt, I find it funny. Although I have chosen the path of terrorism burlesque, I have much sympathy for the real terrorists. Obviously, the terrorists only anti-bureaucratic. Today, most terrorists are fascists. But I like people like the GARI anarchists in Spain. Its leader, Puig i Antic was executed by Franco. Here we opposed much of the time. However, what differentiates us from them is that most of these terrorists have a tendency to be too serious and get into corsets dogmatic. The true concept of resistance is to my mind the hippie movement in the United States. The guerrillas of pleasure, in the 70's. It's what I miss the anti-globalization movement. They are too serious and too Bolsheviks. Most of them are boy-scouts.

RM - What was the reaction to his actions? Have you had trouble with the police or the state? Have you tried to drown him financially? You accused the King Baudouin literally "hide sodomitical trends." What was the reaction?

NG

- We must distinguish between what happened in Belgium and France. In Belgium, my friend Jan Bucquoy, director of "The Sexual Life of the Belgians, and I have had many problems. We were hated by most of the country. The reason was our participation in a French talk-show TF 1, live, in which the subject was Belgium. Belgian newspapers announced the issuance and all Belgium was waiting. Robert Dehoux There was also a friend of 60 years for subversion lives and found a way to paralyze the life of a city with a simple box of matches. Matches are cut longitudinally and placed in the locks of banks, schools, administrative buildings ... The lock is rendered useless. It is impossible to open. This issue provoked a national scandal in Belgium, a country that has an inferiority complex about the French. The phrase you quote, in fact, is taken out of context. What happened was that in another broadcast on Belgium, with which it was intended to repair the damage caused by the former and inviting that I also taught a tasteless fanzine edited by Jan Bucquoy, which appeared sodomizing King Baldwin a minister. Voilà

, I turn to the camera and wonder what the king does not live it in reality. The shock in Belgium was general. I know that the king was really gay. I said to bother you but did not know. I tried to homophobic, which is not true. I immediately went to tell gays to "live our sexual passions whatever they may be, even with animals, reject all taboos." All this live. One guest, a friend of the king, repressed gay himself, he rushed at me and threatened me with a knife. I'm accused of high treason, an offense under the Constitution to the death penalty. Fortunately I was never arrested. But during a time when she went out, I entartaban and even hit me in the tram, everywhere. In the restaurants would not let me. But now, the phenomenon is exactly the opposite but equally stupid reasons than before. I am now very popular but because the average Belgian is proud that a small Belgian has entartado the master of the world. Anyway, I have to say that the reaction of authority is different in different countries.

(Noel Godin speaks quietly but surely. Interrupts his argument to point out an earlier idea, add a date or specify the exact term. Look left to right, his eyes flutter in the orbits, invaded by passion.)

NG - In France and Belgium I'm quite well known, so when the police stop me, they usually laugh a lot and even offered me money once, after entartar some bishops in the cathedral of Nantes, so that entartara the police chief. When my friend Jan Bucquoy entartó the French culture minister. The French government denounced him but was acquitted on all instances. Our argument was that it was from an old Belgian tradition of surrealism. However, in the United States, our friends who have entartado BBB including Milton Friedman and the Director Monsanto executive, was sentenced to three months in prison for entartar the mayor of San Francisco, known for its policy of repression against the homeless. In Canada, our friends have entartado pastry seventeen ministers, including Prime Minister Jean Chretien, were also convicted, pear this time, the penalty was not enforced. RM - So far he has spoken you have spoken of their successful actions. Tell me a little of their failures.

NG

- We had a few. But I'm a bit stubborn and if anyone is beyond me, do not stop until I get it. It's a bit like the coyote and roadrunner. For example, with Loft Story (French version of Big Brother), we failed 4 times until we catch yesterday. I have total security in what I do, in my opinions, which may make me look dogmatic at times.

RM - In Spain there has been much controversy with Big Brother. Some say that it is unethical, it's rubbish and must be eliminated, others speak of a television station where everything is permitted. What is your position?

NG - I have stated my position on the news of Canal + and is away to say that it represents "Loft Story" is an image of all current television documentaries including art, cultural chain. There are exceptions, but generally, everything is right and alienating. We must totally reinvent television. Moreover, the Social Democrats are dedicated to bury any form of subversion. The first thing to do is collapse on television, stop it running, close all the channels. A good idea would be to blow up the posts of repetition and deprive the world of television.

RM

- Do you propose to kill television?

NG - No kill but reinvent and lead to the subversive, to the comic. I get 42 channels and they all say the same. Censorship is everywhere, the elections are a scam and politicians about gangsters. Anyone who is not opposed to power, is his accomplice. Vindicate the spirit of May 68. I never gave up, never made a commitment, as others. Some of the time we left. The best thing is that there is a new generation of young entartadores. I think that revolution is possible. All conditions are there. But for there to be revolution is necessary before making them revolutionary. Now I have great hope in the great anti-globalization movement, which is part of my friend José Bové, even if not capable of total revolution, but we must act as if it could take place. So the revolution must be immediate, beginning in our lives. Sacrifice themselves for a future revolution would be a fool. It is about living our passions, and our immediate pleasures and make our life an adventure.

RM - The insurgency can win then ... Can you win?

NG - From the time we make an attempt, or succeed in love, we can make the revolution. However, Loft Story has been a lesser goal from the political point of view. Our next steps will be directed towards politics and the economy.

RM

- Think you can educate people by their actions?

NG

- Any form of education is a bit suspect. What counts is self-education. We show people that anyone can kill by ridicule the powerful, with a cake at all. My friend Robert, paralyzing entire cities with matches is an example also that without money, can do damage to the enemy. I do not want to educate but to demonstrate that the guerrillas imagination is possible anywhere.

RM - Before you talked about the influence of the Situationists. What interests you in today's world of culture?

NG - Well, the cultural explanation of the attack pastry is based on the famous letter of the first insult that the Dadaists and then the Surrealists and the Situationists finally sent to the celebrities who are exasperated.

RM - And the cinema? What is for you? What are the ways forward?

NG - I made a habit of only interested in movies and books that bother. You have to throw all culture and burn all the books. We must stop everything that does not propose to subversion. Just remember one thing: revolution. Most of the criticism of books and films are frustrating because they say the same thing. The critics are complicit with the dominant culture. I love all those movies petit bourgeois and alienating.

RM

- You spoke of the Dadaists. Where would place Artaud?

NG

- Antonin Artaud remained locked in a confrontational role as an artist rather hysterical. His writings are sometimes brilliant but often harmless and therefore "small bourgeois. "I prefer their public scandals, like when I went to expensive restaurants in Paris and picked up the food with their hands and startled the respectable ladies. I had a interesting part of Marx brothers, but the intelligentsia take it very seriously and I can not bear their share tortured, tormented all the poets, which are installed in your pain play the game of the counterrevolution. We want the triumph of pleasure, joy, orgasm.

RM - Is it possible to end the pain?

NG

- up to us to avoid what is unpleasant. Yes there is half to make a weapon of pain response. When we live in pain, it behooves us not crush us with this pain but do something with it, channel it in an offensive manner. If we suffer, the best way to suffer is to suffer much less to make us suffer. It is the guerrillas at any cost against the pain, suffering, and jealousy.

RM - And with evil?

NG

- Yes, because evil is fine if you use your forces in a way liberating. There is the example of the witches, or the devilish magician Alistair Crowley, which was considered by many a neo-fascist character, involved sects, figurehead of a satanic movement that spoke a lot, when it was actually very good that someone wanted anarchy and proposed, immediately, a diabolical conspiracy against the established order. In his case, the forces of evil were directed against the capitalist power and the dominant order. For us it is important to bathe in the wrong to give us strength because most of the new protesters are boy-scouts, missionaries, in the anti-globalization movement, perfectly boring, and boredom is always counter-revolutionary. We must be ever more immoral, to live our desires immediately, ignoring all the obstacles in a selfish but very generous at a time, beating for all those who love live also live in the pleasure at once with the help of evil, because you have to do much harm to all-powerful enemy. We will do much harm to their public image. The enemy wants us to internalize the surrender of ourselves, of jealousy, the resignation of family life. We must oppose evil funny, playful and affectionate. But machine guns and bombs. I have some friends who are against terrorism far-fetched, but soon changed their minds because they have no choice. This is the case of the Baader-Meinhof, the CCC in Belgium or Action Direct in France, who decided to spend at the pumps, provided they do so for a just cause, we applaud his decision, although it is not ours. Our violence is symbolic but welcome all forms of violence whenever real transgressor. The CCC tanks blew up the gas company to pay no bills, always avoiding human casualties, they managed to do much damage. If you kill a goat they have in the spotlight, always good to isolate the objective, it is your choice, but we can not but sympathize with them because they are in jail for reasons generous with everybody against, including the left and the far left and even the Situationists. In my "Anthology of subversion carabiner" righteous suggest cannibalism, that is, eat the policemen, priests, a class cannibalism.

RM - I do not know if you know Josef Beuys, who complained that Dadaists and Surrealists adopted bourgeois customs, including clothing. In addition, his works are now displayed in museums. It's a little Broadhaerts for Marcel, I do not know if he knew personally, whose exhibition at the Palace of Fine Arts has just been closed and that, paradoxically, were extremely critical of bourgeois art and the museum as art.

NG

- Marcel Broadhaerts, you say. Silvie! (To his companion who are chatting in the lounge) I wonder if I met the Dadaist poet Marcel Broadhaerts ... (laughs) Are you in the presence of his daughter. Broadhaerts Marcel said "shut the museum, open prisons." The Situationists were more radical movement that has existed in France and have gone further than the Dadaists, truly unleashed May 68. Went too far, but we have to be us to go further. As for the outfit, can dress like a revolutionary always want to harm the enemy. It is true that most of the Surrealists were softened soon. Many of them became Stalinists, other mystics. Very few remained in their tenets, I would say just Perec, but most of it was unrecoverable, particularly Magritte at the top of their recognition may have helped a lot of very determined young rebel, finance its activities, and that the otherwise isolated in their comfort.

RM

- About 68. How about Wilhelm Reich? What do you think of his theory of orgone?

NG

- Why not. Revitalize sexual strength. It's fun. Why not. Yet close himself in mysticism. In its proposals have many positive contributions, although it has two things unbearable. First, always had his doubts about homosexuality and on the other hand, the law of sexual economy, "The Function of the Orgasm" provides a plan to reach orgasm, a scheme to make love properly, which has prevented many People make their own discoveries, which is a bit heavy pedagogy.

RM

- Finally, I would propose a list of characters and you tell me if they could be considered as potential targets or not.

NG

- Agreed.

RM

- Daniel Cohn Bendit.

NG - I've done. When it came to Nanterre to celebrate the 30th anniversary of May 68, a group of young anarchists entartaron Frenchmen. Wants to reconcile libertarian ideas with liberal ideas. Is the other side.

RM - The Dalai Lama.

NG

- Oh ... Very good idea. Be a good scandal.

RM

- Brigitte Bardot.

NG - no longer interested. Is finished. Entartamos only those who are rich. Not the poor man on the corner.

RM

- Princess Matilda.

NG - No, although we have a great demand. Entartarla better than I am in favor of giving a spanking in the ass.

RM

- Celine Dion.

NG

- Why not. Like all big star asshole. Would be a little waste of time, but why not.

RM

- Jonnhy Halliday.

NG

- No. It is part of the landscape. It is not too macho. Once entartamos Patrick Bruel as representative of all the singers hysterical. I do not think we will continue on that line.

RM

- Michel Hollebecq.

NG - is a little confusing. Sometimes on the right. Sometimes on the left. She loves the paradoxes, which can end up being a form of reaction. It has some things that irritate me but we share friends who appreciate it. Not at risk of being entartado. Looks like a nice guy, bon vivant, but his head is a mess.

RM

- Bernard Pivot.

NG - I made him a hard time when he invited me to "Apostrophes." Pivot represents bourgeois culture in France and he is a great bourgeois. At the time he had better targets.

RM

- Catherine Breillat.

NG - I hate. I think it is absolutely intolerable. Film is completely repressive. What she proposes is that sex is always something tortured, tormented. It focuses on the petty bourgeois sadomasochistic relationships. Take all the worst of George Bataille according to which Eros is always attached to Thanatos. In no time you get an explosion of pleasure, in contrast, associated leisure and mutilation. It's a shame because it is very intelligent and could make liberating and transgressive cinema. I think that Catherine Breillat is intolerably petty bourgeois. I wrote my criticism more ruthless of the year against X. Romance All the characters are torn when they make love, which plays the game of boredom. They are the most horrible moralists who say that the sins we are facing the greatest depths. For actresses who have worked with her know it is a prisoner of his ghosts and that is not right in the head, full of unresolved contradictions, placing it directly into enemy territory.

RM

- Have we not all unresolved contradictions?

NG

- Then we have to overcome right away and laughing. Otherwise, do what Catherine Breillat, we would have ourselves a shot.

RM

- Werder Rayner Fassbinder.

NG - I love it. However, it has its own contradictions, but is a passionate man who made negative films in which characters are in the pathos, however, their critical analysis go far, makes us see what are the causes of the shipwreck, trade human, among which are systematically money and power. However, his nihilism is positive, the distance of his characters, the opposite of what makes Breillat. Fassbinder's films are radiographs cruel our world. Its clarity is extreme. It is a great creator. Fassbinder was a good man upon whose films we can build something. Unlike Catherine Breillat.

RM

- For when a section of the international confectionery in Spain?

NG

- That they do is for you, "friend" (in English in the interview.)